Montgomery Ward Airline 62-188 Console Questions

[KB9NLK]

I am working on a Montgomery Ward Airline console. The model is a
62-188.... Two things I am working on figuring out are:

1.) There are two small dark black/brown bakelite type switches in the
middle of the radio under the dial. They are stacked on top of one
another and are vertical in relation to the radio. They just seem to
rotate all the way around with no stops. The to wires on each one have
been cut by someone and I cannot for the life of me figure out what
they were for or where they are supposed to hook up to looking at the
schematic. I am sure I am missing something, but I have only seen 1
picture of this model and it did not have 2 items that mine does. 1 is
the eye tube an the other are these switch thingies....

2.) I am looking for the tuning knob and the volume control knob. I
have the two on the left, but need the two on the right basically.....


Thanks for any help!

Ed

KB9NLK

[Gary Tayman]

I don't have a definitive answer -- a photo on the binaries might help.

Regarding your knobs, there are folks here who can help -- but they will
probably ask for the same thing -- a photo.

As for the eye tube, there was some discussion here not long ago. Some
radios had eye tubes installed in them by the dealers or end users. As for
the switches in the rear, if someone butchered the radio enough to add an
eye tube, he could well have added something else such as maybe a remote
speaker, or tone switch, or whatever else. If so, count your blessings that
he didn't drill holes in the front for these . . .
--
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com

Post by KB9NLK
I am working on a Montgomery Ward Airline console. The model is a
1.) There are two small dark black/brown bakelite type switches in the
middle of the radio under the dial. They are stacked on top of one
another and are vertical in relation to the radio. They just seem to
rotate all the way around with no stops. The to wires on each one have
been cut by someone and I cannot for the life of me figure out what
they were for or where they are supposed to hook up to looking at the
schematic. I am sure I am missing something, but I have only seen 1
picture of this model and it did not have 2 items that mine does. 1 is
the eye tube an the other are these switch thingies....
2.) I am looking for the tuning knob and the volume control knob. I
have the two on the left, but need the two on the right basically.....
Thanks for any help!
Ed
KB9NLK

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[KB9NLK]

Gary,

Thanks for the info..... I did find a stamp on the back of the
console / cabinet with W.G. # 567 on the back of the cabinet. I assume
it is a Wells Garner # 567 model. Maybe that will help someone.....

As far as those switched, they are on the front, but it appears the
chassis has a hole that matches up on the front of it to match up with
these wires for the two switches. Hrmmm.... The radio works without
these hooked up, so who knows.

I am going to try to find the Wells Garner # 567 on the internet, but
if anyone has any more info, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again!

Ed

KB9NLK

[Mark Oppat]

Ed,
that's not a typical WG type number. WG used a number of tubes with a
letter or two. Like 7A or 2CM (12 tube) or something. Look at a Rider
index for leads on this. M usually meant metal tubes.

Mark Oppat

Post by KB9NLK
Gary,
Thanks for the info..... I did find a stamp on the back of the
console / cabinet with W.G. # 567 on the back of the cabinet. I assume
it is a Wells Garner # 567 model. Maybe that will help someone.....
As far as those switched, they are on the front, but it appears the
chassis has a hole that matches up on the front of it to match up with
these wires for the two switches. Hrmmm.... The radio works without
these hooked up, so who knows.
I am going to try to find the Wells Garner # 567 on the internet, but
if anyone has any more info, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again!
Ed
KB9NLK

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[Paul Dietenberger]

The 62-188 uses the Wells Gardner 7J chassis. But that doesn't quite help as
Wells Gardner sold almost no sets under its own name. There may well be
other sets using this chassis but they won't be Wells Gardner branded and
will probably have their own series of model numbers.

If somebody has a Mallory-Yaxley book or Larson's Locator they can search
for likely candidates that use this chassis. Tube lineup is (3) 6D6, 76, 6B7
(not commonly used, which should make this hunt easy) and types 42 and 80.

That said, the ske for this radio shows four knobs. If there were any other
controls that came with the radio from the factory they certainly would have
been called out in the schematic. I'm fairly sure what you have is not
original. I might remove them and try to patch the front panel as best as
possible.

-p.

Post by Mark Oppat
Ed,
that's not a typical WG type number. WG used a number of tubes with a
letter or two. Like 7A or 2CM (12 tube) or something. Look at a Rider
index for leads on this. M usually meant metal tubes.
Mark Oppat

Post by KB9NLK
Gary,
Thanks for the info..... I did find a stamp on the back of the
console / cabinet with W.G. # 567 on the back of the cabinet. I assume
it is a Wells Garner # 567 model. Maybe that will help someone.....
As far as those switched, they are on the front, but it appears the
chassis has a hole that matches up on the front of it to match up with
these wires for the two switches. Hrmmm.... The radio works without
these hooked up, so who knows.
I am going to try to find the Wells Garner # 567 on the internet, but
if anyone has any more info, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again!
Ed
KB9NLK

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[KB9NLK]

That is another interesting point about the tube layout......

Mine has (3) 6A8 instead of the 6D6s

In place of the 42 it is a 6F6,

The 80 is there and the 6B7 is there..... The sockets for the tubes on
the chasis even have the stamps for these tubes and not the ones on the
schematic....

Maybe I have a different model then what is stamped on the chassis???
The more I dig int this radio, the more interesting it gets! Ha Ha!

Anyone have any idea on what I may actually have then? The actual
physical layout of the tubes and the picture of the chassis is the
same. Just different tubes, a 6E5 Eye, and these darned rotary switch
knobs.....

[Paul Dietenberger]

Post by KB9NLK
That is another interesting point about the tube layout......
Mine has (3) 6A8 instead of the 6D6s In place of the 42 it is a 6F6,
The 80 is there and the 6B7 is there..... The sockets for the tubes on
the chasis even have the stamps for these tubes and not the ones on the
schematic....
Maybe I have a different model then what is stamped on the chassis???
The more I dig int this radio, the more interesting it gets! Ha Ha!
Anyone have any idea on what I may actually have then? The actual
physical layout of the tubes and the picture of the chassis is the
same. Just different tubes, a 6E5 Eye, and these darned rotary switch
knobs.....

...

Gonna ask the obvious dumb question - are the 6A8 and 6F6 sockets riveted in
or screwed in?

It's certainly not outside the realm of possibility that the mfg. may have
changed tube types during the run. If they were put in that way at the
factory the sockets would be riveted. If the same yokel who put in the
switch and eye tube installed those octal sockets the sockets would probably
be installed with screws and nuts.

What would be more than a little odd would be the use of three 6A8 tubes.
You ought to have three 6K7s. I suppose you could use 6A8s as pentodes but
I've never heard a manufacturer doing this on purpose.

-p.

[Mark Oppat]

Post pix of the radio and chassis removed on the binaries! Do the controls
look original?

Mark Oppat

Post by KB9NLK
That is another interesting point about the tube layout......
Mine has (3) 6A8 instead of the 6D6s
In place of the 42 it is a 6F6,
The 80 is there and the 6B7 is there..... The sockets for the tubes on
the chasis even have the stamps for these tubes and not the ones on the
schematic....
Maybe I have a different model then what is stamped on the chassis???
The more I dig int this radio, the more interesting it gets! Ha Ha!
Anyone have any idea on what I may actually have then? The actual
physical layout of the tubes and the picture of the chassis is the
same. Just different tubes, a 6E5 Eye, and these darned rotary switch
knobs.....

...

[KB9NLK]

Okay, I screwed up on the tubes..... Sorry guys.... It is still
different though....

All sockets are riveted in place, no screws....

3 - 6K7's

1 - 76

1 - 6F6

1 - 80

1 - 6B7

1 - 6G5 (Eye Tube)


Pics are at the following links:

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Failed to load image: http://www.indyham.com/62-188/topview.jpg

Failed to load image: http://www.indyham.com/62-188/front-close.jpg


These are large files so these might take few..... I am not sure how to
post to binaries yet... So maybe I need to learn.....

Thanks again guys!

Ed

[Tim Mullen]

Post by KB9NLK
These are large files so these might take few..... I am not sure how to
post to binaries yet... So maybe I need to learn.....

You're best *not* posting large files. They'll traverse the
backbone over and over whether anyone reads them or not. Files
posted to a web server only clog the Internet once per reader.

[KB9NLK]

Okay, I screwed up on the tubes..... Sorry guys.... It is still
different though....

All sockets are riveted in place, no screws....


3 - 6K7's


1 - 76


1 - 6F6


1 - 80


1 - 6B7


1 - 6G5 (Eye Tube)


Pics are at the following links:



Failed to load image: http://www.hornetracing.com/back.jpg

Failed to load image: http://www.hornetracing.com/front.jpg


Failed to load image: http://www.hornetracing.com/chassis-back.jpg


Failed to load image: http://www.hornetracing.com/front-switches.jpg


Failed to load image: http://www.hornetracing.com/inside-switches.jpg


Failed to load image: http://www.hornetracing.com/topview.jpg


Failed to load image: http://www.hornetracing.com/front-close.jpg

These are not large files......I am not sure how to post to binaries
yet... So maybe I need to learn.....


Thanks again guys!


Ed

[Paul Dietenberger]

Post by KB9NLK
Okay, I screwed up on the tubes..... Sorry guys.... It is still
different though....
These are large files so these might take few..... I am not sure how to
post to binaries yet... So maybe I need to learn.....

Well, Tim's right; having them on the Web is great but I'm having a problem
with your links; for some reason all of them go to www.directnicparking.com
even though just www.indyham.com works fine. If you have a different Web
host you can throw it out there otherwise if you want to post them to the
binaries, see if your newshost carries alt.binaries.pictures.radio. If so,
subscribe and write a post in that group with the pictures as attachments.

The new lineup makes sense. You may have Wells Gardner chassis series 7K
instead of 7J. The chassis layout is identical. Grab the schematic for WG 7K
here:
http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/487/M0023487.pdf
and see if this matches your set (except for the eye tube and extra switch.)

-p.

[Tim Mullen]

Post by Paul Dietenberger
Well, Tim's right; having them on the Web is great but I'm having a problem
with your links; for some reason all of them go to www.directnicparking.com
even though just www.indyham.com works fine.

...and Paul's right. There's something broken with the links.

Folks, PLEASE check links when you post! It only takes a second.

[KB9NLK]

The links should work now...... Sorry about thew original post... I was
trying to fix and didn't expect people to be reqading it already! Ha
Ha! Sorry again.... The new links work.....


Thanks,

Ed

KB9NLK

[KB9NLK]

Paul,

I think you are defnitely correct on the 7K chassis... That schematic
is way more accurate than the one I had before so it must be that
chassis then......

Thanks for the link!

I hope the picture links I re-posted work now for everyone to see.....

Thanks,

Ed

KB9NLK

[KB9NLK]

Mark,

Thanks for the reply also.... The two out of 4 control knobs I have
look original. I have the two on the left side of the radio for Tone
and Band Switching. They are basic plain round, thick, wood knobs. The
one with the screw insert has Band Selector stamped on it and the one
with the metal clip slip on has Tone stamped on it.... I don't have the
Volume (ON/OFF) Knob, nor do I have a Tuning knob which both are on the
right of the dial.....

Pics Posted here:

Failed to load image: http://www.hornetracing.com/knob1.jpg

Failed to load image: http://www.hornetracing.com/knob2.jpg

Do you happen to have any of these?

Thanks Mark!

Ed

KB9NLK