Discussion:
Story on Tunnel Diode
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philo
2018-07-20 21:42:27 UTC
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As a kid I was an avid reader of Popular Electronics and built projects
often.
One day they featured a new item called a tunnel diode.
When I went to the local electronics stores they did not stock them nor
did they want to place a special order....just for a kid. They were not
rude but told me they simply could not obtain such a part.

Fifteen years later, as an employed adult working as a service engineer
for a major corporation I needed a tunnel diode for a repair job. Much
to my surprise I was still treated as a kid and politely told they could
not obtain such an item.

In frustration I said, "But it's for A.O. Smith."
Their immediate reply, "How many do you want?!"

I still have the spare.
J.B. Wood
2018-07-23 10:31:01 UTC
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Post by philo
As a kid I was an avid reader of Popular Electronics and built projects
often.
One day they featured a new item called a tunnel diode.
When I went to the local electronics stores they did not stock them nor
did they want to place a special order....just for a kid. They were not
rude but told me they simply could not obtain such a part.
Fifteen years later, as an employed adult working as a service engineer
for a major corporation I needed a tunnel diode for a repair job. Much
to my surprise I was still treated as a kid and politely told they could
not obtain such an item.
In frustration I said, "But it's for A.O. Smith."
Their immediate reply, "How many do you want?!"
I still have the spare.
Hello, and I remember a few magazine electronic projects calling for a
tunnel diode. IIRC one such project was for an FM bcst tuner. One of
my EE undergrad profs termed the device an "electronic Edsel". A device
in search of a practical application(s). Maybe a one-port RF amplifier
(like a circulator-MASER combination)? Sincerely,
--
J. B. Wood e-mail: ***@hotmail.com
Michael Black
2018-07-23 16:05:29 UTC
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Post by philo
As a kid I was an avid reader of Popular Electronics and built projects
often.
One day they featured a new item called a tunnel diode.
When I went to the local electronics stores they did not stock them nor did
they want to place a special order....just for a kid. They were not rude
but told me they simply could not obtain such a part.
Fifteen years later, as an employed adult working as a service engineer for
a major corporation I needed a tunnel diode for a repair job. Much to my
surprise I was still treated as a kid and politely told they could not
obtain such an item.
In frustration I said, "But it's for A.O. Smith."
Their immediate reply, "How many do you want?!"
I still have the spare.
Hello, and I remember a few magazine electronic projects calling for a tunnel
diode. IIRC one such project was for an FM bcst tuner. One of my EE
undergrad profs termed the device an "electronic Edsel". A device in search
of a practical application(s). Maybe a one-port RF amplifier (like a
circulator-MASER combination)? Sincerely,
I think that's a fair assessment, with some exceptions.

For about a decade, the hobby magazines covered the tunnel diode. It was
a novelty item, and the projects never amounted to anything much. Any use
we saw in hobby magazines could be done with some other device, wireless
microphones, receiving converters, "grid dip oscillators", whatever. Sp
the projects were all simple. GE had a section in one of their early
sixties transistor manuals devoted to tunnel diodes, that also probably
helped. I think they issued the section as a separate book at one point.
It was full of circuits that used the diode, but again nothing out of the
ordinary. That was a source of many of the magazine articles, "101 things
you could make with tunnel diodes". There was an interesting FM
broadcast receiver, a tunnel diode as a mix/oscillator dropping to about
200KHz IF, the IF was RC coupled, and then a pulse counting detector. It
was neat because it was different, not because of the tunnel diode.
Oddly, much later I found an article in a late forties QST about a similar
receiver, except using tubes, and it originated from GE too.

I do have a Sony "portable" AM/FM radio, nice and heavy, that even
mentions "esaki diode" on the front panel, but that's probably about the
only consumer device that used it.

On the other hand, it was much later that I came to learn that tunnel
diodes had seen use in lab equipment, I think triggering devices in
oscilliscopes and probably elsewhere. Probably at the time they offered
some advantage, but it sure wasn't novelty.

Maybe when they first arrived they offered some advantage in terms of how
high in frequency they went, but it was a blink, and soon transistors took
over in that area.

And yet, even twenty years ago it was common in sci.electronics.basics to
have people ask where they could get tunnel diodes. It would turn out
they saw some schematic somewhere "on the net" and probably liked the
simplicity. But since it was just a schematic, it offered no insight into
the fact that tunnel diodes were a mostly passing phase and if you could
get them at that point, they'd be expensive.

Michael
J.B. Wood
2018-07-23 17:47:10 UTC
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Post by Michael Black
I think that's a fair assessment, with some exceptions.
Thanks for providing the additional history, Michael. Perhaps due to
its infrequent use in practice the component is more often identified as
"tunnel" (from its theory of operation) rather than by "Esaki" (after
its inventor). We might have had a common circuit like an "Esaki
Oscillator". Of course someone else could have invented an oscillator
using this diode and it would be known by their name (e.g.
widely-employed oscillator circuits devised by Armstrong, Hartley,
Colpitts, Clapp, Pierce and others who didn't invent the constituent
components). Sincerely,
--
J. B. Wood e-mail: ***@hotmail.com
Fox's Mercantile
2018-07-23 20:10:21 UTC
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Post by Michael Black
On the other hand, it was much later that I came to learn that
tunnel diodes had seen use in lab equipment, I think triggering
devices in oscilloscopes and probably elsewhere.  Probably at
the time they offered some advantage, but it sure wasn't novelty.
Tektronix used tunnel diodes in their triggers in a few models.

Basically rendering them irreparable.
--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
Peter Wieck
2018-07-24 12:30:01 UTC
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Post by Fox's Mercantile
Tektronix used tunnel diodes in their triggers in a few models.
Basically rendering them irreparable.
Why?

Are they something no longer available, or unique to that application?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Switching-Tunnel-Diode-3I306L-Ga-As-military-USSR-Lot-of-10-pcs-/132632974927

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
Fox's Mercantile
2018-07-28 20:42:53 UTC
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Post by Peter Wieck
Post by Fox's Mercantile
Tektronix used tunnel diodes in their triggers in a few models.
Basically rendering them irreparable.
Why?
Are they something no longer available, or unique to that application?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Switching-Tunnel-Diode-3I306L-Ga-As-military-USSR-Lot-of-10-pcs-/132632974927
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
I'm pretty sure they had specific characteristics and weren't like
finding a substitute for a 1N4148 or 1N4007.
--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
philo
2018-07-25 13:49:39 UTC
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Post by Michael Black
Post by J.B. Wood
Post by philo
As a kid I was an avid reader of Popular Electronics and built
projects often.
One day they featured a new item called a tunnel diode.
When I went to the local electronics stores they did not stock them
nor did they want to place a special order....just for a kid. They
were not rude but told me they simply could not obtain such a part.
Fifteen years later, as an employed adult working as a service
engineer for a major corporation I needed a tunnel diode for a repair
job. Much to my surprise I was still treated as a kid and politely
told they could not obtain such an item.
In frustration I said, "But it's for A.O. Smith."
Their immediate reply, "How many do you want?!"
I still have the spare.
Hello, and I remember a few magazine electronic projects calling for a
tunnel diode.  IIRC one such project was for an FM bcst tuner.  One of
my EE undergrad profs termed the device an "electronic Edsel".  A
device in search of a practical application(s).  Maybe a one-port RF
amplifier (like a circulator-MASER combination)?  Sincerely,
I think that's a fair assessment, with some exceptions.
For about a decade, the hobby magazines covered the tunnel diode.  It
was a novelty item, and the projects never amounted to anything much.
Any use we saw in hobby magazines could be done with some other device,
wireless microphones, receiving converters, "grid dip oscillators",
whatever.  Sp the projects were all simple.  GE had a section in one of
their early sixties transistor manuals devoted to tunnel diodes, that
also probably helped.  I think they issued the section as a separate
book at one point. It was full of circuits that used the diode, but
again nothing out of the ordinary.  That was a source of many of the
magazine articles, "101 things you could make with tunnel diodes".
There was an interesting FM broadcast receiver, a tunnel diode as a
mix/oscillator dropping to about 200KHz IF, the IF was RC coupled, and
then a pulse counting detector.  It was neat because it was different,
not because of the tunnel diode. Oddly, much later I found an article in
a late forties QST about a similar receiver, except using tubes, and it
originated from GE too.
I do have a Sony "portable" AM/FM radio, nice and heavy, that even
mentions "esaki diode" on the front panel, but that's probably about the
only consumer device that used it.
On the other hand, it was much later that I came to learn that tunnel
diodes had seen use in lab equipment, I think triggering devices in
oscilliscopes and probably elsewhere.  Probably at the time they offered
some advantage, but it sure wasn't novelty.
Maybe when they first arrived they offered some advantage in terms of
how high in frequency they went, but it was a blink, and soon
transistors took over in that area.
And yet, even twenty years ago it was common in sci.electronics.basics
to have people ask where they could get tunnel diodes.  It would turn
out they saw some schematic somewhere "on the net" and probably liked
the simplicity.  But since it was just a schematic, it offered no
insight into the fact that tunnel diodes were a mostly passing phase and
if you could get them at that point, they'd be expensive.
  Michael
For the repair I did at A.O. Smith the tunnel diode was in a charger for
stationary batteries. I at first replaced it with a standard diode not
realizing it was a special part.
philo
2018-07-25 13:47:35 UTC
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Post by J.B. Wood
Post by philo
As a kid I was an avid reader of Popular Electronics and built
projects often.
One day they featured a new item called a tunnel diode.
When I went to the local electronics stores they did not stock them
nor did they want to place a special order....just for a kid. They
were not rude but told me they simply could not obtain such a part.
Fifteen years later, as an employed adult working as a service
engineer for a major corporation I needed a tunnel diode for a repair
job. Much to my surprise I was still treated as a kid and politely
told they could not obtain such an item.
In frustration I said, "But it's for A.O. Smith."
Their immediate reply, "How many do you want?!"
I still have the spare.
Hello, and I remember a few magazine electronic projects calling for a
tunnel diode.  IIRC one such project was for an FM bcst tuner.  One of
my EE undergrad profs termed the device an "electronic Edsel".  A device
in search of a practical application(s).  Maybe a one-port RF amplifier
(like a circulator-MASER combination)?  Sincerely,
I think the article was just for an oscillator....I probably still have
the magazine somewhere
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